While reading the stack of slanderous stories of the court, Kvothe comes across stories of Bredon conducting pagan rituals [10]. These could be Chandrian rituals, or could be unrelated. From The Kingkiller Chronicle Wiki. Navigation menu Personal tools Create account Log in.
Namespaces Page Discussion. Views Read View source View history. Still, I kinda like it. Aug 15, AM. Amber wrote: "Yah I dont know I'm totally just trying to be open to any plausible idea LOL. But I'd actually kind of like that too.
Ultimate Betrayal. But then she tells Kvothe she has a Patron, and though she calls him that, I think that could be Denna putting it in terms Kvothe would understand. Regardless, once she had a 'Patron' she shouldn't have needed to continue on with her dalliances. I thought it might be possible that she's going on dates as a cover for meeting with specific people to be educated on things like fighting, story knots, history, music, and social graces possibly even magic, Sympathy, etc.
She could even be something as simple as a spy. But I have a ton of these theories, so pick away. That is why I think there is more to her then just an escort. I guess we will have to wait till may. Haha Yeah. I just can't accept tyhem being anything but bad. I have read the arguments, and they ARE plausable But I just cant swallow it. Too many factions are afraid of them.
Too many stories. Too much smoke for there to be no fire. Aug 15, PM. I have a feeling PR has us all snowed and none of our theories will be remotly close. But that is as it should be Still fun to pick it apart. Aug 20, PM. However, her being trained and the beating being a part of the training makes sense too. She does also as Kvothe a question about sympathy that puts him back. And the beating would fit in with the Cteah saying things that are true but in a destructive way.
After all, prior to the use of the cane it could be that she was retrieving hand to hand combat, or that her pain tolerance levels are being increased. Also, staying with someone who beat her out of anger or beat her for missing a note doesn't seem to be in her character. I think she might be connected to the Amyr, and that would fit in with the alternate story she told of Landrian. Aug 21, PM. Aug 29, AM. Denise wrote: "Also, staying with someone who beat her out of anger or beat her for missing a note doesn't seem to be in her character.
That scene in severin where kvothe's mentions that he beats her in referal to beating her after the wedding as a cover. She quickly responds about falling off a horse to explain the bruises not realising kvothe was on about the wedding, i got the impression of shame from that. Plus she seems to have a genuine fear of her patron. As for staying with a guy that beats her, the scene towrds the end of the book with both on the rock by the river explains it perfectly.
She questions kvothe on his scars and challenges him about why does he keep going to the college then. She's indirectly saying, you have your goals and will do anything and suffer anything to achieve them, i am the same. Said it in another thread they're mirror images of each other and are in different but similar situations. Aug 29, PM. I find her utterly fascinating, on my initial read through I didn't think much of her but in subsequent reads she's made me a fan. She training alright, although I don't think the beatings are part of it to toughen her up.
I Wouldn't mess with her though, remember the knife training she gave to kvothe and she sorted that guy in severin fairly easily. What did annoy me though was kvothe speaking of how he comforted her when things went bad with men in notw and her getting snarky with kvothe at the end of wmf over him seeing women. I'd love something like bonus chapters from her point of view when its over.
Aug 30, PM. I've read these books a few times myself and everytime my distaste for her character grows. In these times our world yes she would be a dislikeable character due to her choices.
You heard the deoch talk with kvothe and her chat with the girl she saved in severin. She's like kvothe in that she does not want to be tied down and wants to advance her learning or goal, whatever that may be. She either moves or jumps town when her fella expects some boom boom or starts to talk of meeting the parents or she could also be trying to keep her head down ie low profile.
I suspect something happened her and she generally doesn't have a good opinion of men. I just think she's getting a bad rap, i'll admit i disliked her very much the first time i read it.
She's a very strong character what little we know compared to women from other fantasy books. Sep 03, PM. Devi might be a bad example, she did offer to sleep with kvothe for archive info, see they're all at it. One of my favourite scenes on the audio book, its hilarious. Sep 24, PM. Oct 17, AM. Dead horse time! Kvothe and Denna, point and counterpoint.
I mean, they even sing a duet together before they meet. I think the story knots are significant. Denna's fluency of them is telling. Maybe Yll is where the last true stories are kept. Denna's patron - Control via fear. I like Mr. Cinder-Bredon-Ash Patron. But here's where concocting theories about what will happen in The Kingkiller Chronicle Book 3 gets downright dangerous: Felurian—an immortal Fae who seduces mortal men and drives them insane—tells Kvothe a different story about the Amyr, insisting that they are not human at all, but a faction within the Fae realm.
While the Chandrian are still mysterious going into The Doors of Stone , their enemies the Amyr are downright obscure. We're still not sure the exact circumstances that have lead Kvothe to hide away from civilization at the Waystone Inn and live as Kote, but we do know he brought some of his mysteries along with him—few are as tantalizing as the "large, dark chest" at the foot of his bed, which his apprentice Bast calls the "thrice-locked chest.
The thrice-locked chest is introduced in the very first chapter of The Name of the Wind , making its secrets one of The Kingkiller Chronicle 's enduring mysteries. Here's how it's described:. Prized by perfumers and alchemists, a piece the size of your thumb was easily worth gold. To have a chest made of it went far beyond extravagance. The chest was sealed three times. It had a lock of iron, a lock of copper, and a lock that could not be seen. Tonight the wood filled the room with the almost imperceptible aroma of citrus and quenching iron.
The chest has no hinges, weighs over pounds empty and its secrets are hidden from Bast, just as they're hidden from us. Kvothe himself doesn't even know how to open it—he tries and fails at the end of The Wise Man's Fear. Whatever's inside the thrice-locked chest, it brings Kvothe pain to think about it. Just looking at the chest fills Kvothe with "emptiness and ache" as "his face regained all the lines the simple pleasures of the day had slowly smoothed away.
There are two main theories or schools of thought when it comes to the contents of the thrice-locked chest. The first is simple: the chest contains an item or items. Popular candidates include Kvothe's beloved lute or his shaed—a magical, transforming, camouflaging, armoring cloak woven of moonlight and shadows for Kvothe by Felurian. The other theory surmises that it's not an object, but Kvothe's name that's locked inside the thrice-locked chest.
In Temerant, the world of The Kingkiller Chronicle , names are imbued with magical power. Uncover something's true name—the name that most embodies an object or person—and you can control it or them. The concept of naming is central to The Kingkiller Chronicle plot. Kvothe studied naming under Master Elodin at The University. Even the title of the first book, The Name of the Wind , alludes to this magical property imbued in the world. In the second volume, The Wise Man's Fear , Kvothe describes a king who keeps his true name "written in a book of glass, hidden in a box of copper.
And that box is locked away in a great iron chest where nobody can touch it. But why would Kvothe lock away his own name and adopt the alias Kote? Is it possible Kvothe would lock away his own name, even from himself?
To fully understand why this theory is so compelling, you also need to understand a malevolent creature called the Cthaeh. In The Wise Man's Fear , Kvothe visits the non-human Fae realm as lover and guest of Felurian—an immortal Fae who seduces mortal men and drives them insane—but has his most dangerous encounter when he wanders off alone.
Kvothe finds a "lone tree standing in a grassy field" with "powder-blue blossoms. Then something begins to talk. It's not the tree itself, but a voice that roves through its branches. Butts and questioning my artistic choices played a part too pic. No more than is a man a chair. I am the Cthaeh. You are fortunate to find me," the Cthaeh tells Kvothe.
The Cthaeh knows everything about Kvothe's adventures and provides cryptic responses to Kvothe's questions about the Chandrian and the Amyr Order.
The scene is sinister, but its full import is only revealed later. Not in some vague, oracular way. It sees all the future. Everything that can possibly come to pass, branching out endlessly from the current moment," Bast explains to Kvothe. The Cthaeh uses its precognition to say whatever will create the worst outcome. It has caused wars and famines. As Bast says, "Anyone influenced by the Cthaeh is like a plague ship sailing for a harbor.
For now, the nature of the Cthaeh's grand design are mysterious, but the malevolent entity whispering poison in Kvothe's ear may explain why Kvothe is in hiding. We don't know how or why yet, but the world has gotten worse as a result of Kvothe's adventures. All my fault. That depends, in part, on the Cthaeh's true identity, which may give us some insight into its motives.
There are several characters from the history of Temerant who may have become the Cthaeh, including a mysterious Tinker who played a role in precipitating the Creation War Lanre fought and died in. But does Kvothe have a plan to outsmart the Cthaeh? If the thrice-locked chest contains Kvothe's true name, it may be part of a larger plan to thwart the Cthaeh's design by adopting a new personality and shedding his original fate.
While there are compelling reasons to believe the thrice-locked chest hides elements of Kvothe's former identity, it's also possible the thrice-locked chest is somehow related to another mysterious vessel…. At the famous musical tavern the Eolian, Kvothe befriends Count Dennais Threpe, who won't patronize Kvothe directly, but instead offers him an introduction to Maer Alveron, a powerful noble in the country of Vintas.
Alveron asks for Kvothe's help wooing a rich woman named Meluan Lackless. Thanks to Kvothe's songs and poems, the two wed. They also share with Kvothe a tantalizing mystery: the Lackless Box that's been in Meluan's family for thousands of years its name evolved with the Lackless family name, so it's also known as the Loeclos Box.
Described as a "piece of dark wood the size of a thick book," the Lackless Box is "unnaturally heavy" and "smooth as polished stone," except for the pattern of subtle carvings so subtle most people can't feel it all over its surface, which may be Yllish story knots.
Made of a different wood than the thrice-locked chest, the Lackless Box smells faintly of "something almost like lemon. Kvothe speculates that something glass or stone is hidden away inside, perhaps even something dangerous that couldn't be destroyed. But while the Lackless Box remain a mystery at least until Book 3 comes out , there are a number of theories about its contents, beginning with a rock that is both stone and glass: obsidian.
Explaining why that's important will take a little more context for the Creation War that seems to have set the stage for so many of The Kingkiller Chronicle 's deepest mysteries. The war had many heroes, including Lanre, who died winning the war. His wife Lyra, a powerful namer, brought him back from the dead, in the process cursing him to a sleepless immortality without her.
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